Niantic has been extremely busy lately. Pokemon GO has been a massive phenomenon that has taken the world by storm. The servers are pushed to insane limits daily. They even speak optimistically about their future plans. So it comes to little surprise that Niantic CEO John Hanke hasn’t had a lot of free time. In fact, he claims he himself is only around level 5 in Pokemon GO in an interview with Forbes.

I’m, like, level 5.

There’s no telling when John Hanke will find sufficient free time. But I’m going to assume that he’s going to use it mostly for sleep.